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  • Audi denies Volkswagen use of 2.5 TFSI EA855 EVO motor for MK8 Golf R

    Damn. The Golf R wit the 2.5 TFSI would be the absolute hottest ticket in the German tuning market. It would be the cheapest way to get a new 2.5 TFSI paired with a dual clutch transmission and all wheel drive and that is likely why Audi nixed the idea.


    Stepping on Audi's toes is the obvious reason but Audi also claims increasing production would pose a problem:

    There’s also the issue with ramping up production of the engine at the Győr plant in Hungary where Audi makes the A3/S3/RS3, TT/TTS/TT RS, and Q3/Q3 Sportback model lines. According to the same source cited by Autovisie: “Manufacturing the five-cylinder is very laborious. This makes it very drastic to increase the volumes.”
    That's nonsense. Audi continues to add models powered by the motor such as the RS Q3 without issue and manages to supply KTM and Donkervoort with motors.

    On the bright side Volkswagen may have something up their sleeve. This may end up being a blessing in disguise.

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    1. nbrigdan's Avatar
      nbrigdan -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
      It would be the cheapest way to get a new 2.5 TFSI paired with a dual clutch transmission and all wheel drive and that is likely why Audi nixed the idea.
      I can't even see there being that much cannibalization, a DSG Golf R is C$43,895, S3 $48,400. So a $4505 difference. $65,600 - $4,505 = $61,095. How many people are going to buy a $60,000 VW rather than a marginally more expensive Audi. Honestly I think it would just increase total sales rather than divide them between the two companies, because the RS3's body style (in North America) is actually incredibly impractical. I can see this as more of an issue in EU where they sell the RS3 as a hatchback.

      Now in my fantasy they'd also sell the Golf RS-whatever with an available manual transmission out of the MKII TTRS, creating further sales...
    1. Sticky's Avatar
      Sticky -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nbrigdan Click here to enlarge
      I can't even see there being that much cannibalization, a DSG Golf R is C$43,895, S3 $48,400. So a $4505 difference. $65,600 - $4,505 = $61,095. How many people are going to buy a $60,000 VW rather than a marginally more expensive Audi. Honestly I think it would just increase total sales rather than divide them between the two companies, because the RS3's body style (in North America) is actually incredibly impractical. I can see this as more of an issue in EU where they sell the RS3 as a hatchback.
      It probably wouldn't be a huge amount of sales lost but Audi clearly wants to keep it exclusive to their brand.

      it's fine. I honestly would rather have a turbo VR6 for the Golf R. I hope it gets it as that would a be fun little car.
    1. nbrigdan's Avatar
      nbrigdan -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
      it's fine. I honestly would rather have a turbo VR6 for the Golf R. I hope it gets it as that would a be fun little car.
      If that engine ever makes it to production...I can't see VW putting a VR6 back into the Golf with all the insane economy regulations today. Hell even AMG claims they're moving to a 4cyl for the C63... and Aston is being forced to develop a new engine because AMG apparently won't be supplying them the V8 in the future because of this.
    1. Sticky's Avatar
      Sticky -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nbrigdan Click here to enlarge
      I can't see VW putting a VR6 back into the Golf with all the insane economy regulations today
      Then why are they building the engine?
    1. nbrigdan's Avatar
      nbrigdan -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
      Then why are they building the engine?
      Science? Racing? Honestly the latter is my guess.
    1. Batman's Avatar
      Batman -
      "There’s also the issue with ramping up production of the engine at the Győr plant in Hungary where Audi makes the A3/S3/RS3, TT/TTS/TT RS, and Q3/Q3 Sportback model lines. According to the same source cited by Autovisie: “Manufacturing the five-cylinder is very laborious. This makes it very drastic to increase the volumes.”

      ^^^ That statement above is total BS! And wait a minute, doesn't VW own Audi? VW should show Audi who is the boss!
    1. Sticky's Avatar
      Sticky -
      Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Batman Click here to enlarge
      "There’s also the issue with ramping up production of the engine at the Győr plant in Hungary where Audi makes the A3/S3/RS3, TT/TTS/TT RS, and Q3/Q3 Sportback model lines. According to the same source cited by Autovisie: “Manufacturing the five-cylinder is very laborious. This makes it very drastic to increase the volumes.”

      ^^^ That statement above is total BS! And wait a minute, doesn't VW own Audi? VW should show Audi who is the boss!
      Total BS but if I could choose a turbo VR6 or 2.5 TFSI I'd go with the VR6. Not only is it different and unique it's more 'VW' in history. The I5 definitely associates better with Audi.