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    • 9-seconds for $9000 - Eurocode/APR parts list to get your Audi 2.5 TFSI RS3/TT-RS running 9.X in the 1/4 mile

      As you know APR was the first to break into the 9's with their Audi RS3 sedan. The reality is the recipe is not complicated and it is not as expensive as you might think to do. The dual clutch transmission and engine internals all remain stock.


      Here is the sauce:

      1. Stock long block
      2. Stock clutch
      3. Stock exhaust
      4. @aprllc software ECU/TCU
      5. @aprllc cast inlet
      6. SRM Hybrid OEM RS3 Turbo
      7. EuroCode intake
      7. EuroCode double barrel DP
      8. EuroCode FMIC (CNC Tanks)
      9. EuroCode brushless pump/injectors

      Even the exhaust after the downpipe can stay stock! The turbocharger itself is not a even a full new unit but a hybrid.

      The Audi 2.5 TFSI is simply the best German tuning platform out and it is making a strong case for best 2018 bang for the buck tuning platform period.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: 9-seconds for $9000 - Eurocode/APR parts list to get your Audi 2.5 TFSI RS3/TT-RS running 9.X in the 1/4 mile started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 40 Comments
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        The cost of an equivalent hybrid should come down by $2,000+ once a few more vendors get theirs to market.
      1. Arin@APR's Avatar
        Arin@APR -
        Other turbos may come to market, but few will support them. Speaking of us, I rather work with what we know works.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        That's how we justify a $6,000 hybrid turbo? There are plenty of users who want a one stop shop, but the average member here is comfortable with pairing brand a hybrid with brand b tune.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Also, I don't think that parta list can be had for $9,000 unless they are offering a big discount for a staged package vs individual parts....
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Also, I don't think that parta list can be had for $9,000 unless they are offering a big discount for a staged package vs individual parts....
        That's their claim.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        That's how we justify a $6,000 hybrid turbo? There are plenty of users who want a one stop shop, but the average member here is comfortable with pairing brand a hybrid with brand b tune.
        Most people are going to opt for the turbos tested with APR's software.
      1. Newguy123's Avatar
        Newguy123 -
        Those cars are awesome bang for your buck and don’t look too bad either! I’m sure once Pureturbos releases a hybrid turbo for the RS3 things will change! $6k is robbery for a hybrid turbo, but companies can do that when they are first to the market especially with badass results.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Newguy123 Click here to enlarge
        Those cars are awesome bang for your buck and donít look too bad either! Iím sure once Pureturbos releases a hybrid turbo for the RS3 things will change! $6k is robbery for a hybrid turbo, but companies can do that when they are first to the market especially with badass results.
        I've seen one of APRs 9 sec cars have a TTE625 called out in it's parts list. Less than $5k new and under $2,500 with user supplied core. I'm curious if SRM is simply a rebadged part or if they're doing something different...

        https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...-8p-8v.354266/
      1. lulz_m3's Avatar
        lulz_m3 -
        Curious what it would run on street wheel/tire setup. Figure add another 3k for wheels and drag tires to be in the 9s.
      1. Arin@APR's Avatar
        Arin@APR -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        a $6,000 hybrid turbo
        So far the numbers I've seen are $5,800 for a new turbo and $3,800 with a core. Is that unreasonable? They're using a GTX Gen 2 CHRA. It's not journal bearing junk. Garret's products are pricy and they only have a couple master distributors, so pricing stays high.

        Let's break it down:

        ~$3000 - Factory Turbo
        ~$2000 - Upgraded Garret CHRA
        xxxxxxx - Assembly parts
        xxxxxxx - Labor (disassemble / reassemble / set wastegate)
        xxxxxxx - Machine time (Machine Hot / Cold side)

        Honestly, what should that cost? Mind you, you can't just give products away at the price it cost to make them. They'll need to make some margin so they can keep their doors open and pay their employees.
      1. Payam@BMS's Avatar
        Payam@BMS -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Arin@APR Click here to enlarge
        So far the numbers I've seen are $5,800 for a new turbo and $3,800 with a core. Is that unreasonable? They're using a GTX Gen 2 CHRA. It's not journal bearing junk. Garret's products are pricy and they only have a couple master distributors, so pricing stays high.

        Let's break it down:

        ~$3000 - Factory Turbo
        ~$2000 - Upgraded Garret CHRA
        xxxxxxx - Assembly parts
        xxxxxxx - Labor (disassemble / reassemble / set wastegate)
        xxxxxxx - Machine time (Machine Hot / Cold side)

        Honestly, what should that cost? Mind you, you can't just give products away at the price it cost to make them. They'll need to make some margin so they can keep their doors open and pay their employees.
        Arin, you wont win with these guys. They're used to the BMW N54/N55 market where you can find a turbo in a dumpster and put a fan wheel on it and call it an upgrade. They don't understand that these cars aren't being produced like the BMWs.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Arin@APR Click here to enlarge
        So far the numbers I've seen are $5,800 for a new turbo and $3,800 with a core. Is that unreasonable? They're using a GTX Gen 2 CHRA. It's not journal bearing junk. Garret's products are pricy and they only have a couple master distributors, so pricing stays high.

        Let's break it down:

        ~$3000 - Factory Turbo
        ~$2000 - Upgraded Garret CHRA
        xxxxxxx - Assembly parts
        xxxxxxx - Labor (disassemble / reassemble / set wastegate)
        xxxxxxx - Machine time (Machine Hot / Cold side)

        Honestly, what should that cost? Mind you, you can't just give products away at the price it cost to make them. They'll need to make some margin so they can keep their doors open and pay their employees.
        Is the pricing you indicated supplying a new turbo and not requiring a core return? That obviously changes things. My initial point was that more options are out there and I'm sure there are a lot more coming.

        Is the SRM turbo a new unit or a tte625?
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Edit:. Nevermind last question on last post. Looked at TTE625 spec and see it's journal bearing.
      1. Arin@APR's Avatar
        Arin@APR -
        SRM = Modified housing & new Garret CHRA - New oil / coolant, feed / return lines.
        TTE = Modified housing & Modified CHRA w/ new wheels - factory oil / coolant, feed / return lines.
      1. Newguy123's Avatar
        Newguy123 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Payam@BMS Click here to enlarge
        Arin, you wont win with these guys. They're used to the BMW N54/N55 market where you can find a turbo in a dumpster and put a fan wheel on it and call it an upgrade.
        whats that supposed to mean? Pure for example is a “dumpster turbo and isnt an upgrade?” $3800 sounds a lot better and more in the hybrid pricing realm... and Arin journal bearing turbos are far from junk IMO
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        I've seen one of APRs 9 sec cars have a TTE625 called out in it's parts list. Less than $5k new and under $2,500 with user supplied core. I'm curious if SRM is simply a rebadged part or if they're doing something different...

        https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/thread...-8p-8v.354266/
        https://www.audiboost.com/content.ph...tock-internals
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Newguy123 Click here to enlarge
        whats that supposed to mean? Pure for example is a “dumpster turbo and isnt an upgrade?” $3800 sounds a lot better and more in the hybrid pricing realm... and Arin journal bearing turbos are far from junk IMO
        He means you have guys on street corners machining sections and selling them.

        Sure, you can buy a cheap turbo upgrade with Chinese garbage some idiot put together. So what?
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        There it is. So, quicker and faster with the journal bearing "junk" turbo.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        There it is. So, quicker and faster with the journal bearing "junk" turbo.
        In different conditions...
      1. Newguy123's Avatar
        Newguy123 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He means you have guys on street corners machining sections and selling them.

        Sure, you can buy a cheap turbo upgrade with Chinese garbage some idiot put together. So what?

        I was asking Payam, thanks for explaining that for him though. The reason I referenced PURE is because they produce reliable turbos that perform great, at an honest price point. 6k was mentioned and that sounded outrageous for a SINGLE hybrid upgrade....Vehicle production doesn’t really matter either, the same amount of work goes into designing a bad ass hybrid turbo weather 100 cars were produced that run that specific turbo or 20,000 cars were produced that run that turbo. It’s anyone’s choice to send the core back or pay the core charge and keep it...that’s why core charges can be extremely high on cars that are a lot more rare....but that should not affect the price of the turbo upgrade itself. $3,800 is def fair to run 9’s I’d pay that if I owned an RS3 not $6k though