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      Did you manage to make it through the 2018 Formula 1 Canadian Grand Prix? I didn't. I fell asleep. I had to finish watching it today. Maybe it was the wine but it was really more the racing or rather lack thereof. Formula 1 is trying to bring in new fans with their ESPN deal and I am one of those new fans.


      They are not going to keep these new fans with these types of races. The previous Grand Prix was Monaco and although that GP did not have much passing it is not known for much passing. It is a throwback race and a giant event for Formula 1. It is all about qualifying really to get pole position which is pretty much needed to win.

      The Canadian Grand Prix on the other hand takes place on the much more modern course Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. A beautiful course with long straights yet it made for boring racing.

      The only excitement came in lap 1 due to a wreck. Beyond that it, the race was a parade around the circuit.

      The top three finished exactly as they qualified. Sebastian Vettel got ahead and simply cruised around the circuit with nobody able to even get close until the checkered flag (which came early as someone likely wanted to put this grand prix out of its misery).

      With the rules stating cars must use two tire compounds it results in only one pit stop being necessary and very little changing of the grid order.

      Something needs to change as Formula 1 is becoming a qualifying spectacle. Hopefully the French Grand Prix is more exciting.




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      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        It was more boring than Monaco.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        It was more boring than Monaco.
        I at least enjoy Monaco for the visuals and history.

        I agree with your statement though.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
        Isn't F1 boring in General?
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
        Isn't F1 boring in General?
        No.
        But if you are used to watching a lot of the same cars drive around ovals and crashing I guess you would think F1 is boring.
        If you don't get the sport, and only watch the race without the live timing, and are not interrested in the background, or sleep through it, you will probably not like F1.

        That said, the FIA assigning a 3rd DRS zone to the Canadian circuit was a dead givaway on how this race was to go down. Halfway through I was wishing for rain. It was much less eventfull than I'd hoped.
        I wish the tire choices would leap a compound so the race becomes more interresting, and the tactics can vary more.

        And the deciding moment was indeed in round 1, but not by the stupid Lance Stroll. If that is wat you got from this race, quit watching F1.

        The Mercs fuel consumption is going to become a problem if they don't improve. Bottas had .1 sec on the finish line to stay second.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        Why was the third DRS zone a giveaway?
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
        Why was the third DRS zone a giveaway?
        Because the FIA also figured that with only 2 DRS zones there would hardly be any overtaking on this circuit. The 3rd DRS zone did not help this. The new DRS straight was simply not long enough.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        If they want overtaking they should allow the turbos to hit higher boost temporarily.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
        If they want overtaking they should allow the turbos to hit higher boost temporarily.
        The boost is not the problem. It's the max fuel flow restriction, and the total max amount of fuel. Without that the engines could go to 15k rpm, and produce much more power.
        And they have an overtake button which allows more power, mostly electric.
        This button however can just as easily be used to defend as to attack.
        Saving energy in places where no overtaking is possible allows the front driver to use all his stored energy to defend where you can overtake.
        So that is mostly counterproductive...
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        The boost is not the problem. It's the max fuel flow restriction, and the total max amount of fuel. Without that the engines could go to 15k rpm, and produce much more power.
        And they have an overtake button which allows more power, mostly electric.
        This button however can just as easily be used to defend as to attack.
        Saving energy in places where no overtaking is possible allows the front driver to use all his stored energy to defend where you can overtake.
        So that is mostly counterproductive...
        So allow refueling and an overtake bonus for say setting the fastest lap.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky2 Click here to enlarge
        So allow refueling and an overtake bonus for say setting the fastest lap.
        Refeuling in Formula1 was banned in 2010, officially as a cost saving measure. It would be awesome if it would come back, but I would not count on it. The teams themselves voted against allowing refueling a few years back.

        Teams give their drivers a bonus for setting fastest laps.
        I know Red Bull does it. And they have scored 5 fastest laps of the 7 races this year so far. So that does work. But putting in 1 glory run just before race-end does not bring much spectacle to a race.
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        I'm saying give a boost bonus from the turbo or electric motor so they can overtake. Reward a fastest lap with a Performance boost like Drs but the driver chooses when to use it anywhere on the track.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Fastest laps are almost always achieved by people with an empty track ahead because of downforce losses when driving near other cars. Or just after a tire change. And teams try to get a car into a patch of nomansland after a pitstop.
        So getting a bonus boost after a fast lap is normally not going to get you within overtaking distance...
      1. Sticky2's Avatar
        Sticky2 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DavidV Click here to enlarge
        Fastest laps are almost always achieved by people with an empty track ahead because of downforce losses when driving near other cars. Or just after a tire change. And teams try to get a car into a patch of nomansland after a pitstop.
        So getting a bonus boost after a fast lap is normally not going to get you within overtaking distance...
        It's just one idea for giving you some bonus turbo time for something achieved on track.
      1. DavidV's Avatar
        DavidV -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I watched the 2018 Formula 1 Canadian Grand Prix so you didn't have to
        But on the subject of boring.
        Here's a quote from the After Race press conference with Sebastian Vettel's take on the subject.

        Q: (Christian Menath Ė Motorsport-magazin.com) Question for all three of you. The race from outside was not the most exciting one, letís put is that way. Seb, you said you had to manage a lot of things during the race, even though you were not affected by other cars, with dirty air and so on. Can you explain what was the problem today, why we didnít see an exciting race. Was it managing the tyres? Fuel consumption? What was it for all of you?

        SV: I think the answer to your question isÖ life. Lifeís like this, or racing. Racingís probably like this. I donít think itís justified to criticise the racing, or criticise this race. I don't know if it was boring. From my point of view, obviously, itís still busy inside the car no matter where you are but I donít likeÖ I donít know why people today are so short-sighted. We had seven races this year, I think some were phenomenal, some were boring Ė but next week the World Cup is starting and I promise you that a lot of the games will not be exciting Ė but still people will watch it Ė but some games will be incredible. Thatís what we always look forward to Ė but it canít just always continue to go up and get better. So, I donít know, thereís no reason, donít even look for an answer, donít write anything. Write about something else. I think we do our job inside the car and if we can race, we race but obviously, we also do our job inside the car and try to avoid racing. Disappear, stay in front, or not get overtaken. And then some races are just exciting and others are not.


        Alain Prost's idea of racing:
        Without going to what I think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest speed possible.
        Alain Prost

        Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/alain_prost
      1. Mightyb28's Avatar
        Mightyb28 -
        Lets just say there is no easy answer to F1 when you have the FIA, team owners, and Liberty Media involved. They make the environment to expensive to play and compete in. No cap restrictions on development cost hurts all but the top teams. Now you have the top manufacturer's turning the mid to bottom grid teams become dev teams for their drivers. Its just a joke really. All about the money and power.

        Say what you will, but McLaren going back to Indycar, with their own twin turbo six in 2021, is best for them and racing fan's. RedBull TorroRosso is also rumored to be moving to Indycar, in the next few years, with McLaren.
        Indycar may have taken a digger from their own owners mess and George, but they are back on track, have the best open wheel action, sexy Champ Car body kits, controlled cost's, a realistic power plant, and are now having a complete rebirth.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mightyb28 Click here to enlarge
        Lets just say there is no easy answer to F1 when you have the FIA, team owners, and Liberty Media involved. They make the environment to expensive to play and compete in. No cap restrictions on development cost hurts all but the top teams. Now you have the top manufacturer's turning the mid to bottom grid teams become dev teams for their drivers. Its just a joke really. All about the money and power.

        Say what you will, but McLaren going back to Indycar, with their own twin turbo six in 2021, is best for them and racing fan's. RedBull TorroRosso is also rumored to be moving to Indycar, in the next few years, with McLaren.
        Indycar may have taken a digger from their own owners mess and George, but they are back on track, have the best open wheel action, sexy Champ Car body kits, controlled cost's, a realistic power plant, and are now having a complete rebirth.
        Interesting post.

        I agree with you F1 is not easy to fix plus I don't understand licking Ferrari's balls to the tune of $70 million per year. It's impossible to compete with that kind of handicap to deal with for the other teams especially the small ones.

        Maybe Indycar will rise but it's all in the US and the rest of the world doesn't know anything about it. Hardly the force F1 is globally.